Discussion quotes #2: Willy Mac To be honest with you Brother Willy I really hate to answer such a question as this one, because it’s Vanity of vanities if I didn’t tell the truth without compromised, The Lord God dose uses circumstances even the great dragon the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth Adam and the whole world and God uses His Own messengers to bring about deceit according to his plans. Yes it’s true the serpent beguiled Eve to eat, he deceived Eve true that, as we are clearly told that in the Scriptures. However, who created the serpent more subtil than any beast from the beginning? God! Who gave him access to the Garden of Eden? God! Who commissioned him to deceive Eve? God! Who created Eve in such way and give her delusion that they should believe a lie that she “thought” she had freedom of the will? God. Who commissioned “lying spirits” on several occasions to “deceive” the enemy? God. 2Chr 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth 2Thess 2:11 etc… Who is it that send “strong #DELUSION”? “Even him, whose comings after the workings of Satan with all power and sings and #LYING [deceiving] wonders….And for THIS cause #G-O-D #SHALL #SEND #THEM #strong #delusion, that they should believe a lie” 2Thess. 2:9-11
Evil is contrasted together with Good. These are the two “big things” contained in one in the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Sins and all their relatives outcomes are part of the experience of Evil to all, but experiencing Evil is not necessarily sin.
Now did The Lord God influence Eve to eat of the fruit knowledge? No one denies he set the tree in the midst of the holy garden and made it absolutely beautiful to look at. If that is divine “influence”, then God did use his divine “influence” Eve to eat the fruit. think of it more as God set the stage to unfolded his plan both in the placing of the fruit in the garden and in the sophisticated divine forming of Eve made the eating of the fruit the only possible outcome. What “influenced” her was her own lust good for #food, and that it was pleasant to the #eyes, and a tree to be #desired to make one #wise and the enticement and lie of the devil to fulfill all of them.
Now, if God had not made the knowledge of Good and Evil, no trespassing of the first God’s commandment will happen yep nothing would have happened at all. If God had in the first place not formed Eve weak as He did, no fall at all.
Dear Brother Wiily There are many things the Father to say unto us, but we cannot bear them now we all know many things in life that are very dark to accept and deal with in our weakened spiritual state but when we are waxed strong in the spirit the Spirit of truth will guide us into all truth.
To tell you truth in love you are trying to protect God blame only Humanity which was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of God himself. Brother don’t take it a wrong way though your groaned is the same as your teachers, We know the disciple is not above his teachers, popular teachers and theologians saying it was never God’s intention at all that Adam with Eve disobey His first divine command and sin by eating of the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Almost all Christians would agree in that, let me borrow you’re mocking word you use on your word now you can call that “Narcissistic”. They think God did not plane or want Adam to sin; and Adam did not need to sin. If our father Adam had not sinned, we would all be living in a giant Garden of Eden to this very day happily ever. We would be in perfect divine health, there would be no sorrow, we would have divine pleasure twenty-four hours a day, we would never die at all, we would be happy and God too would be happy.
If Adam had shown just a little restraint and says NO to Eve the world wouldn’t be in the giant mess it is in today. Truly hilarious, Oh really? Well that perspective may be good for Sunday school kids it’s NOT the word of God the truth ain’t for kids, If Adam given dominion over all why then didn’t Adam exercise his power of restraint that is just one of the many trees in the garden isn’t it? What went wrong then if that is the case? Did He make man in His image, after His likeness? We know God doesn’t sin, there is no a sinning image and likeness of almighty God at all so why was the first humans malfunction? The truth was Adam wasn’t finessed product of God Jesus Christ is the complete image of the invisible God he is the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person. So was there a flaw in their original design from the start? God was the Designer of all things; is God to blame or man who is accountable for all creations? God! Not according to all Christendom’s. Ask any church member including yourself, Is God at least responsible as a creator of all? No drought all things are created by him, that are in heavens, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: even the serpent more subtil than any beast ye all things were created by him, and for him hmm.. But not according to Christendom all over the world. But why not?
Even little kids know God is Love, good and Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts ye The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, and he is also a consuming fire, but the whole idea “don’t blame on God” is blasphemous, man always try to take God’s crudités to show that he is the god of this world of curse he become God in wrong realm “Gen 3:22 And the Lord #God #said, Behold, the #man is #become as #one #of #us,” the truth is hidden from the darkened carnal mind it will never comprehended by it, Unless the Lord like the certain woman named Lydia whose heart the Lord opened is opened or metamorphose or transformed by the renewing of the mind, If a carnal-minded human can take responsibility for an invention that malfunctions, I submit that God is bigger and more responsible than small and weak puny man. Be it known to all Sons of God that God takes full responsibility for His creation, and absolutely nothing in His creation is malfunctioning. Here’s the proof:
Pay your full attention now “For the creature [and/or creation itself] was #MADE subject to #VANITY #NOT #WILLINGLY, but by reason of #Him [that’s God] Who #HATH #SUBJECTED the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the #BONDAGE OF #CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the #WHOLE #CREATION groans and travails IN PAIN until NOW” (Rom. 8:20-22)!
Wow Bro. Did you know that part of Scripture is in the Bible at all? Have you ever meditated at the weight of the truth and length on its true meaning? This one Scripture does much damage to all Christian doctrine in the world. From a strictly earthly carnal-minded approach, this Scripture is devastating in them. Let’s see Strong’s GREEK-DICTIONARY NEW TESTAMENT:
1[#VANITY: empty profitless vain transientness [temporary], depravity [wickedness].]
2[#BONDAGE: slavery subjection subserviency.]
3[#CORRUPTION: shrivel wither spoil ruin deprave defile destroy decay, perish]
4[#GROAN: moan calamity be in straits murmur, grief, grudge, anguish.]
5[#TRAVAIL: pangs, to pain together, travail as in birth.]
6[#PAIN: anguish, toil for daily subsistence, starving.]
Did you pay your full attention? The force of these word in Rom. 8:20-22 is inescapable. It was The Lord God #HIMSELF who #subjected the whole #creation to #vanity, and He didn’t ask Adams or anyone’s permission before He did it. And it is only God and God only Himself Who will deliver the whole creation from the bondage of corruption swimming in, in pain, and in suffering. Make no mistake about it as Son of God: God is the Creator of evil from the beginning, and He takes full responsibility without requiring any lawyer to stand for him He can give the deliverance from the consequences of all the evils that have caused the creation to groan in travail with all kind of PAIN until NOW as Paul describes. The lord God takes full responsibility for the temporary failures of all creation so that He can take all the credit and glory for its divine successes.
If man could only see that God is not a earthly carnal-minded human as themselves. He is GOD! The Great beyond compression extremely impressive Creator of all, Sustainer of all, and Saviour of all is GOD! and whatever he do his motive is his Divine love, God has a plan, a procedure a divine way of doing something or all things, and a purpose for this creation. Precious that a few Sons only have a basic understanding of what it is. Nothing in all creation is out of control from God’s divine perspective, the eyes of the Lord are in every place in all unbounded universe. Nothing big or small ever surprises God or catches Him off guard to lifted up his eyelids. God does not view all activity of His creation from His celestial vantage point not unaware of what all people will do next. God knows all in advance. God doesn’t just know what “will” happen in the future in all ages, He is the causes of all that will happen in the future. God IS all the future. God is God He is the Alpha and the Omega, He IS the beginning of all; He IS the end of all, and nothing can be different from what The Lord God says MUST BE if he say it we know it is done.
Let us all get away from vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind by saying, “God did allows certain things” mentality & syndrome. Give it up, and believe the Scriptures The Lord God CREATES, The Lord God DESTROYS, The Lord God HEALS, The Lord God KILLS, The Lord God CAUSES, The Lord God BRINGS ABOUT, The Lord God SAVES. The Lord God does not “allow” things that He has not foreordained to be in due time! This popular doctrine making the Devil bigger than the Lord God among the religions of the world is utter unscriptural foolishness.
Because, forth from out of the midst of Him, and through the midst of Him (or: through means of Him), and into the midst of Him, [is] the whole (everything; [are] all things)!
By Him (In Him; To Him; For Him) [is] the glory (the manifestation of that which
calls forth praise; the reputation; the notion; the opinion; the credit; the splendor)
into the ages. It is so (Amen; So be it)! (JMT Rom. 11:36).
If so does this also include EVIL? Scriptures said over and over and over again that “God uses evil for GOOD outcome.”
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me, I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND #CREATE #EVIL: I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS” (Isaiah 45:6-7). “So will I send upon you FAMINE and EVIL [ra] BEASTS, and they shall BEREAVE thee, and PESTILENCE and BLOOD shall pass through you, and I will bring the SWORD up;on you, I the LORD have spoken it” (Ezek. 5:17).
So #FAMINE, #BEASTS #BEREAVEMENT, #PESTILENCE AND #BLOOD, and the #SWORD are not evil, are they? And just when was the last time you saw a “CALAMITOUS beast”?
There are many sad things in life that are very hard to accept I cannot even, after all this time, get the images of the stoned thousands of innocent Ethiopian people not guilty of a crime or offense just by tribal racism blindness in part, I just can’t take it out of my mind God can. Or maybe we see even worse in our world, I get teary-eyed every time I think of it. it is really extremely traumatic to contemplate with. But what is gained by man trying to take all of these things out of the hand and the realm of God’s responsibility? God and God only has the true “ability to respond.” Mankind is not running God’s countless creation, God is God. How dare anyone doubt it?
All man have his own personal financial hardship, health challenges, social issues, mental, & spiritual trials in addition to this thousands of other problems in our world, home, community, nation which can easily overwhelm all of us if we are not well grounded. Do we think all these things just come out of the blue and invented themselves & brought themselves into existence in our midst? I tell you the truth No; these are all in all the design of an impressive all-wise God.
Didn’t God knows every sparrow that falls, for our surprise individual names of one hundred billion stars he control and manage them without losing control for Split Second, and the number of our tiny hairs on six billion people’s head at any given second of the day, but that God is, nonetheless, just not concerned with all the smaller details of your life and my life.
“I The Lord create evil?” I hope you learned today some new truth from the scripture about God, Finally nevertheless it seems his plans for us, are good… Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Evil is used to produce righteousness by God, look the situation between the sons of Jacob Joseph and his eleven brothers. This is good example of how God can ‘intend, purpose, plan, send, create’ the evil, but not be the one doing it directly. The Lord didn’t pick up the pieces of this mess and make something good out of it. He INTENDED the evil the eleven brothers did to Joseph FOR GOOD. And not just for Joseph, also for the brothers!
Let us all give it up Brother, and believe in the Holy Scriptures, It is my pray let the Father Sanctify us through his truth: His word is truth. Amen. Bro. Bini.