Discussion Quotes: let me share with you something special, #Question: My Brother, I think I need to create awareness what Adam and Eve had while still in the Garden of Eden in glory’s state. They had something that in this age we all do not have in present time! Although we are starting to learn about it step by step. Do I have your full attention yet? What they had was beyond my mind, I can only dream of having it in present time now. They knew what good is without knowing or contaminated with evil, good in its highest purest form! I learned this from the book many beginnings the Genesis, and yes they were both named as one Adam! Gen. 5: 2, ” Male and female created he them; and called their name Adam, in the day they were created”. Then we look more clearly at Gen. 3: 20, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living”.
To go back to good glory of the beginnings without evil isn’t this one of the more important things that JESUS wanted us to learn. How are we able to know and judge what is good or righteous if we are not pure of heart at all by walking in the steps of CHRIST, until we all learn what purity is we cannot even walk in it. Without absolute purity of heart with the Holy Spirit working in us we can do nothing with JESUS, We know that is why He gave us the 11th commandment in John 13/ 34. “A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another, By this shall all know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” herein lies the purity of good without evil what in all creation is more pure than GOD’S Love. Brother in CHRIST
#Answer: Dear Bro. Thank you for your comments. I pray this will not offend YOU what I have to say in response to your comments. While I can certainly respect and appreciate some of the statement lay down, nonetheless, the premise of your comments is in error when we scan it through the word of God.
You state: “What they had [Adam and Eve], I can only dream of having it in present time now. They knew what good is without knowing or contaminated with evil, good in its highest purest form!”
Hmm.., it seems your strong desire is what Adam and Eve had BEFORE they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you may not like the truth but I have news for you: You can stop the desire of dreaming for it. News flash You REALLY DO ALREADY HAVE IN YOU what they had!! That’s right! Your ALREADY possess that nature what they HAD! I have it too! Every man walking up and down have it too. But I am not as thrilled over this nature as much as you seem to think you would be if only you had it. You do have it brother, I have it. ALL MANKIND HAS IT IN HIM. It’s called “THE CARNAL MIND,” and it’s not a lovely thing either: “For to be CARNALLY MINDED is DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and PEACE.
Adam and Eve did not eat of the restricted tree and disobey God because they were mature enough spiritually “spiritually minded” or because, “they knew what good is without knowing the evil, good in it’s highest purest form” as you suggest. Remember the truth THEY WERE TOTALLY CARNAL. the were TOTALLY ‘NAKED’–This was not just a physical fact as most think, it was a SPIRITUAL REALITY. They were spiritually TOTALLY NAKED just as everyone else who thinks they have sufficient matures enough spirituality to live righteously by their own carnal mind which is the enemy of God:
Pay close attention to this one “Because you say, I am rich and increased with goods [they owned all in the garden; they have it all by them self] and have need of NOTHING at all [how could they have need of anything if they already possessed all glory, “good in its highest PUREST FORM’ as you suggest? But there’s was a problem with Adam and Eve in their state of being lowered position to the vanity of human form just as there is with ALL OF US. We DO NOT possess proper knowledge or “spiritually minded” {without the tree of the knowledge of good and evil}, and therefore we are simply like Laodicea…] … Laodicea’s they KNOW NOT what the Lord know, …that you are WRETCHED, and MISERABLE, and POOR, and BLIND, and [SPIRITUALLY] TOTALLY NAKED” (Rev. 3:17)!!!
If good nature was the center of their life or If they already knew good (inside of their innermost spirit and innermost being), good in it’s absolute FORM they are also absolute like God if they are like God how come they got affected by the state of change? :God says I change not!”, then how could ANYTHING, influence, change , persuade, cause, or MAKE them manifest the origin root causes of EVERY SIN ON EARTH? Make sure notice it carefully:
“And when the woman 1,Notice it carefully [lust of the flesh] SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, and that it was 2, [lust of the eyes], PLEASANT TO THE EYES, and a tree to be 3, [pride of life]DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE, she TOOK thinking to placed at a high or powerful level God, Walla… stole, disobeyed, lusted after the desire of the flesh, put an idol before the almighty God, worshiped exalted her own presumed but false goodness, she helped cause her husband to sin, hid themselves, tried to LIED to God about it, tried to pass the buck and blame others for their sin, etc., and a dozen other sins if you persuade] of the fruit thereof, and did eat…” Gen. 3:6.
OK now, were Adam and Eve REALLY “In good glory’s state without knowing evil?” Did they really have “good in it’s Gods level of glory?” Or did Eve having nothing at all but a spiritually naked and carnal mind that did NOT possess the true love of God in any way, shape or form? Let the Scriptures itself answer. Notice now what Eve did.
1. Lusted with her FLESH, wanting to EAT the restricted or forbidden fruit by the Lord.
2. Lusted with her EYES, because it seemed so pleasant to her carnal mind possess and to have it all power.
3. She was filled with PRIDE of life, desiring worldly WISDOM.
Now let’s compare we the New Testament perspective Eve’s sin with what Apostle John tells us are the three roots and the origin CAUSES OF ALL SIN:
“Love not the world, neither the things are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is NOT IN HIM. For (Notice, here’s the reason why) ALL that is in the world, 1: the LUST OF THE FLESH, and 2: the LUST OF THE EYES, and 3: the PRIDE OF LIFE, is not of the Father, but is of the world” (I John 2:15-16).
There we have the exact three sins of the carnal minded Eve! And I assure you on the authority of Jesus Christ and the Word of God that these are NOT, ‘good in it’s highest glory purest form.’ The fact in the realities is we must all be CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST & then be CLOTHED WITH HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, before we will have even a hint of “good in it’s highest glory purest form.”
There is no knowledge of highest glory good without a knowledge of evil! That is WHY the Lord God put both good AND evil IN THE SAME TREE; IN THE SAME FRUIT IN US. Bro Bini.